I was in Eph. 4 yesterday. Verse 11 specifically. If there are any Greek scholars out there I'd really like to find some clarity on the tense gave. Where God gave us spiritual gifts to use to build up His Chruch. The first gift is apostleship. Being a messenger for God. Now is that only for the first century church or is it for us now? The tense in gave might give us an indication of the answer. My gut says for all times but I went to a seminary class yesterday and the professor said that the gift that the apostles had perished with them. I questioned him but didn't get too far. Mind you he was funny and brillant but have you ever had a conversation with someone and 99% is truth yet one little point may not sit right. That's why God tells us we should be able to discern truth and error for ourselves with the help of His Spirit.